2 Fort... another Dust 2

ok, first of all, let me state 2 fort the level (not this site) is a great map in comparison to other game's maps.

that being said...

2 fort is a WAAAAAAAAY over rated / played / appreciated / all of the above.
there are much better levels no one ever plays, not to mention some really great user made levels as well.
so why the hell do do i see "2 Fort" Spamed like 70% of my server list when im looking for a map to play in?

seriously guys... it's not THAT good. no one want to see another Dust 2 (CS:S) where that's the only freaking level people ever play.

that plus CP is a better balanced game for TF2 than CTF any ways. (engies are too god like in CTF for this game imo)



note: i already realized that i'm totally going to get flamed for this thread, afterall i did make it in the 2Fort section, and most fans of 2fort would probably come here. but please keep in mind: i dont think 2 fort is a bad level, as i stated before, i think it's a good map, i just think it's over played, and that there are better lesser played maps that people should give a a chance.

2fort, and maps like de_dust/de_dust2 are classics. They've withstood a crazy long life spans, 8 years for dust and longer for 2fort.
actually the idea for de_dust came from some early screenshots of the original TF2.

So i would say that since they have been around longer, more people will have played them (new players and old) and liked them and will then be attracted to servers running them.

The maps also suit a variety of play styles. You dont have to do them in any one way. This makes them very versatile.

Anyway, I dont think that just because something isn't as popular it isn't isn't better, but I think there are many cases where popularity is not dependent or even effected by perceived quality.

I like it. I feel that it's a map that takes not only good teamwork, but also individual skill to play.

DUST PLZ

I like 2fort. I have yet to see an unbreakable defence on that map.

If 2fort wasn't the only CTF map originally released with the game, it might be less popular. I still don't understand where all the 24/7 2fort 32-man instaspawn servers came from, or why they are so popular.

For quite some time we did not even have 2Fort on any of our servers, so it's definitely not overrated around here.  To me, 2Fort is a little like Bob Dylan - it will be forever known as a classic, but when you actually do play it you immediately want to switch to something else!

I, too, like 2Fort and am glad to have it back in rotation here at TF2F.
I also look forward to playing more CTF_Well here at TF2F. I've not had much of a chance to play it since its redesign.

2Fort is a lot like Hydro in that they can be great maps to play on, but are too easily cocked up by the people playing on them. Turtlefests are no fun.

The only thing I have against 2fort is that it has so many chokepoints it makes turtling easy.  (Build a couple sentries in the courtyard in a pub game and nothing can touch them, ubered or otherwise)