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#  Aug 29, 2008 at 12:16 PM
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I didn't want to derail that thread too much so I thought I would start a new one to post my rebuttal.

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But as any pothead would tell you no one, and by that i mean NO ONE in the 5000 years of recorded history of canibus use has ever died from an over dose of THC. In fact it is physically impossible.\
The coroner's report for Lee Maisey says he died from cannibus toxicity.  So even though it is controversial, and many disagree with the findings, it is a recorded death from pot.  And it is possible to kill test animals with high enough doses, so it is possible, just improbable.

Not to take the thread off track, but I can't let you put your pothead propaganda out there unchallenged.
It is generally considered to be impossible to achieve a lethal overdose by smoking cannabis. According to the Merck Index, 12th edition, the LD50, the lethal dose for 50% of tested rats, is 42 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. That is equivalent, for a 75 kg (˜165 lb). male, to ingest all of the THC in 21 one-gram cigarettes of maximum-potency (15% THC) cannabis buds, assuming no THC was lost through burning or exhalation. For oral consumption, the LD50 for rats is 1270 mg/kg and 730 mg/kg for males and females, respectively, equivalent to the THC in about a pound of 15% THC cannabis. Only with intravenous administration— an unheard of method of use by humans— may such a level be even theoretically possible.

There has only ever been one recorded verdict of fatal overdose due to cannabis, however this finding was found on multiple professional reviews to be "not legitimate".

In January 2004, Lee Maisey of the United Kingdom was found dead. The coroner's report stated "Death due to probable cannabis toxicity". It had been reported that Maisey smoked about six joints a day. Mr. Maisey's blood contained 130 nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml) of the THC metabolite THC-COOH.

The validity of the finding did not stand up well under review. As reported on 2004-01-28 in the Neue Züricher Zeitung, the Federal Health Ministry of Switzerland asked Dr. Rudolf Brenneisen, a professor at the department for clinical research at the University of Bern, to review the data of this case. Dr. Brenneisen said that the data of the toxicological analysis and collected by autopsy were "scanty and not conclusive" and that the conclusion "death by cannabis intoxication" was "not legitimate". Additionally, Dr. Franjo Grotenhermen of the nova-Institute in Cologne, Germany said: "A concentration of 130 ng/ml THC-COOH in blood is a moderate concentration, which may be observed some hours after the use of one or two joints. Heavy regular use of cannabis easily results in THC-COOH concentrations of above 500 ng/ml. Many people use much more cannabis than Mr. Maisey did, without any negative consequences."


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#Lethal_dose:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol


and Kikinchikin there is SOOOOO much anti pot propaganda out there much of it is ridiculously exaggerated or downright made up that I couldn't let your propaganda go unchallenged either.
It might have been reported that he died from THC toxicity but the science and the scientific community says that it was not the reason for his death.
#  Aug 29, 2008 at 12:36 PM
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Talk about anything here - only good natured chat, no deep politics or religion please.

pot and anything else on that subject counts as that.
#  Aug 29, 2008 at 12:40 PM
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I dont think pot is politics, this discussion appears to be a good natured SCIENTIFIC debate. 

It is a fact that no one has been known to die due to thc overdose.  They did tests on monkeys back in the day where they basically suffocated the animal with smoke, and claimed that it was the drug that killed them.

The fact is, that smoking tobacco is responsible for one out of five American deaths; and nicotine is exponentially more addictive than anything you find in cannabis.  I think there are legal substances out there that we should be a little more concerned with.

In the U.S., smoking tobacco kills more people than cocaine, heroine, alcohol, fire, automobile accidents, homicides, suicides, and AIDS combined. 

And you want to talk about this one case of one person who's death loosely correlated to their use of cannabis?
#  Aug 29, 2008 at 12:43 PM
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i didnt see this as deep politics as the description says. It has to do with politics on some level i guess but this definitely isnt a "legalize it" thread. When it comes down to it though you really didnt have to click the link in the first place.
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This is Variable-Depth Politics, Scientific, and Medical.

And as to my opinion of Pot, (I live in California) something needs to be done to make sure only the people who should be smoking it, are the only ones smoking it. (people severely affected by medical conditions that can be degated somewhat by smoking pot)

P.S. I have never, and never want to smoke pot; or anything else...




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#  Aug 29, 2008 at 12:53 PM
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Talk about anything here - only good natured chat, no deep politics or religion please.

pot and anything else on that subject counts as that.
Not only is this not deeply political, but usually we let things like this slide as long as people remain respectful.
The fact that the OP has even gone to the trouble to not ruin the other thread and start this in another is that first step to a respectful thread.

IanTheRed has nailed it imo. He has shown the LD50 of THC and also said that the only way to achieve that is through IV, which is suicidal/moronic anyway.

I also agree with IanTheRed when he says theres so much other pot propaganda out there. I would link a really nice Hunter S. Thompson quote, but I cant find it since im at work and they block everything (even imdb).



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And as to my opinion of Pot, (I live in California) something needs to be done to make sure only the people who should be smoking it, are the only ones smoking it. (people severely affected by medical conditions that can be degated somewhat by smoking pot)
IMO this stance is more often than not the stance of someone who has never smoked cannabis (i know that you have said you have not).

When you get to know the drug, and get past its misconceptions, lies and social stigmas, one realizes that stances like this are needless.
There is really no reason for it to just be used by the medical community.
Its so much like alcohol that it is rediculous that one is legal and the other is not. Except it doesnt make sense that cannabis is the illegal one when the harmful effects of it are much much less than that of alcohol.

How many times have you gotten drunk and puked? or said something to someone that was mean or was a secret? or injured yourself due to lack of motor controls? Hangovers!

Alcohol has done this to me many times, but cannabis, never.

Worst thing that ever happened to me on cannabis, was that I said something intellectually stupid, but not something that made people think lesser of me.
#  Aug 29, 2008 at 1:02 PM
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Quote:
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P.S. I have never, and never want to smoke pot; or anything else...

Thats totally cool, its not for everyone and its everyone's choice. 
I started only after I did a bunch of research, found out that it can't kill me and at worst it will lower my IQ by about 20% while under its influence, and increase my chances of a cold turning into bronchitis or pneumonia (both of which have happened lol).
It has a bunch of medicinal effects that go beyond cancer patients and what not, I had fractured  my L1 and L2 vertebrae  a while back which causes me considerable pain to this day and on top of that I have a pretty short temper. Once I started smoking I could let things that would normally set me off slide very easily and I could for a few hours each day live in complete pain free existence. 

Meanwhile I still go to school full time maintain a 3.0 or better and work part time.  Done responsibly smoking pot is much safer then drinking and smoking. 
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Just throwing this out there, a must watch for people anti-pot imo. (might have posted this before? Don't remember )

Pt. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEyKAzXqVkA

Pt. 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbI6HbOSTgE&feature=related

Pt. 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leg3_gcE3p8&feature=related

EDIT: nsfw probably.
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Just throwing this out there, a must watch for people anti-pot imo. (might have posted this before? Don't remember )

Pt. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEyKAzXqVkA

Pt. 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbI6HbOSTgE&feature=related

Pt. 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leg3_gcE3p8&feature=related

EDIT: nsfw probably.
This is one of the best bullshit epis. A must watch for the above people.
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