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Is the demo to similar to the soldier?

#  Oct 13, 2008 at 6:51 PM
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The same question as the title.

I will present FrostArmy's arguement that he was to lazy to Ctrl+C   Crtl+V

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Really, I don't think that demo needs a nerf as much as he needs to be more disimilar to the soldier. The demoman is way too similar to the soldier if you ask me.

Similarities:
Both classes slot 1 weapon have 4 rounds, are explosive, have travel time, and each round is reloaded individually.
Both classes do damage to themselves in melee range
Both classes do best at medium range
Both classes are good against sentries
Both classes are pretty much screwed if both their weapons have to be reloaded in combat
Both classes have weapons that can be reflected by a pyro
Both classes can use explosives to rocket/sticky jump

Differences:
Soldier has a shotgun, while the demo has stickies
Soldier has slightly more health, while demo has slightly more speed
Soldier has direct fire weapons, while demo has indirect fire weapons
They have somewhat different explosive jumping mechanics
Demomen can remote detonate their stickies whenever they want


That's all I can think of right now. Most the differences are quite trivial, and need to be more significant. I think the demo should be more focused on sentry destruction, traps, and firing from behind cover and less focused on a direct battle.

My $0.02.

On second thought, I probably should have made a seperate thread for this, but for some reason I can't copy it and I'm too lazy to type it again. "

Well I did make a thread about it so expand.  And please lets not devolve into a nerf, OP war.  We are talking about comparing and contrasting 2 classes, nothing else.
#  Oct 14, 2008 at 5:05 AM
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Not really At all, both have almost completely different playstyles, the only similarity I can see is they have explosive projectile weapons, and both have one which explodes on contact.

Thats like saying Scout is like engineer as they both have some sort of shotgun type weapon... of which the scout's is completely different.
#  Oct 14, 2008 at 5:09 AM
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Demo needs to do more damage to himself at melee range, like the Soldier
#  Oct 14, 2008 at 5:29 AM
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..

He does more already
#  Oct 14, 2008 at 5:29 AM
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Damn, are you stupid?  Demo has always dealed 90+damage to himself at close range.  If you don't jump you'll do 110 or so self damage with a sticky.

But no, the classes are nothing alike.  They have 1 thing in common and everything else stems from it, explosives.
#  Oct 14, 2008 at 5:34 AM
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I see the similarity, but are plenty unique
#  Oct 14, 2008 at 5:51 AM
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I don't need to read the first post to say that no, the Demo is not even remotely similar to the Soldier.  As they are my 2 main classes, I can say without a doubt that they are 2 extremely different classes.
#  Oct 14, 2008 at 6:47 AM
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Mar, the fact that Solder and Demo differ in direct and Indirect weaponry is a huge difference. Solder is made for being up in the thick of it, Demo hangs back and lets his weapons hit the enemy from behind walls, engie farms and his allies. I think of him like a Artillery unit from a RTS. He's Very powerful for being able doing similar work as a solder can, without risking his neck. But on the flip side, Demo when faced with a foe like a heavy, scout or pyro directly, he is limited in defending himself. He normally trys to get his distance while peppering his foe with explosives, his weapons a bit more unpredicable then A solder's more direct Rockets. Yes I know many demoman can defend themselves perfectly fine, but these are the more seasoned ones who got a feel for their weapons..
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I really didn't think this one through when I posted it (like a lot of other things) so I would like to say forgive me for my stupidity. I do that sometimes.

#  Oct 14, 2008 at 4:02 PM
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I never took any sides in the post, I simply copyed Frost Army's post.

Personally I belive that they are quite different but they still lead a charge and offense with Soldis in the front and demo's behnd the Hevay+medic combo.

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