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#  Jan 05, 2009 at 3:12 PM
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While we have stats (ala Valve's tracking) for TF2 on the site, I think they're a lot less satisfying than server-only statistics. I know there's HLStats and such, but I'm not sure if people hate those or they discourage teamplay, etc.

What do you guys think of server-side stats tracking?
#  Jan 05, 2009 at 3:13 PM
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We have them. http://tf2f.sishgupta.com/psychostats
#  Jan 05, 2009 at 3:15 PM
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Oh. Well shit. am I stupid for not seeing this on the main page?

Also: page is borked.
#  Jan 05, 2009 at 3:17 PM
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They are fun to look at but can be summarized with this:

The person who plays the most ranks the most.

Somebody simply racking up points over the course of thousands of hours will easily outrank the best player in the world player perfectly for 10 hours. It's nobodies fault, just the nature of stats: how do you rank someone without having a fair amount of data to parse?

Also, stats tend o be death-match oriented. Those killing the most rank the best. You could be the best spy/scout/sniper in the world and always kill the medic every time, but that simply doesn't ran as high as killing anybody all the time. In general, killing the medic consistently isn't easy and is much more beneficial to your team than killing anything else consistently, but ranks don't factor that in.

tl;dr version: Stats are cool, but take them with a grain of cocaine. Salt I mean.
#  Jan 05, 2009 at 3:18 PM
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i like server side stats. it encourages some people to try and not die which sucks, since you need a kamikaze to keep pushing the cart or go get the intel but overall, i like that i can look at my statistics and remember that i spent a night trying to toolbox people to death.
#  Jan 05, 2009 at 3:19 PM
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Oh. Well shit. am I stupid for not seeing this on the main page?

Also: page is borked.
No, we haven't been able to update the site to reflect our server stats, but the new site will. Also, Album fucked up somehow and broke the stats, it's only been like that today.
#  Jan 05, 2009 at 3:22 PM
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They are fun to look at but can be summarized with this:

The person who plays the most ranks the most.

Somebody simply racking up points over the course of thousands of hours will easily outrank the best player in the world player perfectly for 10 hours. It's nobodies fault, just the nature of stats: how do you rank someone without having a fair amount of data to parse?

Also, stats tend o be death-match oriented. Those killing the most rank the best. You could be the best spy/scout/sniper in the world and always kill the medic every time, but that simply doesn't ran as high as killing anybody all the time. In general, killing the medic consistently isn't easy and is much more beneficial to your team than killing anything else consistently, but ranks don't factor that in.

tl;dr version: Stats are cool, but take them with a grain of cocaine. Salt I mean.
 Fo sho. Just saying they can be fun, especially personal stats like accuracy, class played, person dominated the most, etc. Just something to whack off to occasionally.
#  Jan 05, 2009 at 3:28 PM
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Oh. Well shit. am I stupid for not seeing this on the main page?

Also: page is borked.
No, we haven't been able to update the site to reflect our server stats, but the new site will. Also, Album fucked up somehow and broke the stats, it's only been like that today.
#  Jan 05, 2009 at 4:10 PM
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I haven't fucked up, not afaik anyway.

I have to re-set this one setting EVERY time my server restarts... I dunno how to make it permanent.
Fixing it as we speak...
#  Jan 05, 2009 at 4:27 PM
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Ok, so there was a problem with the PHP code where a specific directory wouldnt save to the database properly.
I've tried just editing the database manually, hopefully it will work.
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