Sooo, My American friends. Do you pay your income taxes?

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thanks dude!  i'm glad to be here!

so is pretty much every Canadian who ever made it big.

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The problem with paying for a better government is that it simply won't work. No matter how much money you throw at a broken system, it will remain broken.

I do agree with you on needing the right people in public service. The root of that problem is all our fault. We elect these scumbags. We allow them to remain in office. We let them push us around and steal from us. We let them invade other counties for profit. We have become lazy and complacent. Look at us now. Unemployment is rising, the dollar's value is sharply falling, our infrastructure has been crumbling, and our soldiers are needlessly dying.

Oh, well. As long as there's something good on tv, who gives a shit?
(That's not directed at you Razor. I'm just bitching about the general "can't someone else do it?" attitude of American citizens.)





I'm done for now.

I warmed the saddle up. Who wants the next ride?

I think you misunderstood my position. I don't think throwing money at a problem fixes it. I was really just saying if I'm called on to pay more taxes AND it's used efficiently, I have no problem doing so.

I gotcha.

It's just really sucks that very little of the tax money taken from us is used effectively.

I will always pay my taxes, its the ethical thing to do as a citizen of a country. But I firmly believe that there has been no country ever in the history of the world that collected taxes for the well being of its citizens, or for the well being of anyone other than a few direct benefitters.

You can cry about income tax all you want, but if you don't pay it you're looking for trouble.

I knew a guy who didn't pay for two years, and had a $250k/yr salary.  They came and took all his shit.  Tv's, game consoles, stereo, furniture, etc.

Be smart, pay your income taxes.

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He could have then sued the IRS because they really have NO LEGAL RIGHT to do what they did.  The income tax is directly against the constitution.

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to anycensus or enumeration."

The income tax is apportioned, so it is directly unconsitutional and illegal.

And for real.  Why the fuck do they need 25% of all the working people's salary?  That's fucking ridiculous, they waste our money on failing social systems like social security and the war on drugs and then just take more.  And do you know why?  Becuse people are too damned arrogant to realize that their money is being wasted by Democrats and Republicans alike and keep paying their damned taxes and just swing vote to the next party next election cycle.  If they even took a fucking look at why we have to pay so many taxes, where the money's going, I think they'd be pretty god damn mad, too.

If the (Federal) government limited it's job to national security, protecting citizens rights and a few other SMALL issues, we could easily have our taxes be something like 2-5% of our income.  You wanna know where that extra 20% of money would then go?  Back into the REAL economy.  Anybody notice that ever since income tax came into existance (permanently) and the gold standard dissapeared, the dollar lost about 95% of it's value?  And why the hell do we have government deciding which companies to give what amount of bail-out to?  Their basically building artificial capital that shouldn't exist.  Then again, maybe we wouldn't need to bail out private industries and companies if that extra 20% of the public's income was actually there's and they could spend it on products that are good instead of letting the government bail out companies who just didn't make the cut.

Apparently a Free market is the market where the government can step in at any time, nationalize anything, give money to anything and decide what can and can't be sold (prohibition, the recent bill passed saying that the Gov't can regulate what types of ciggarettes come out)

I could go on forever but I'm just gonna....
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He could've sued, sure.

But my post before discusses that court room legal precedent > the law.

Tragic I know, but he woudda been butt fucked in court.

I'm going to just throw this out there (edit: similar to razor's argument).  I'm fine paying the tax, as long as it goes to things I find important/helpful/necessary.   Part of the reason the cost of healthcare is so high is Medicare/Medicade, while at the same time, we're spending the most on "defense" worldwide.  11 aircraft carriers?  That's not defense, that's enforcement.  Almost like if every convience store had a personal cop armed with an automatic shotgun "just in case".  If they cut even 1/4 of that and put it back toward education systems I'd be happy.