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#  Oct 02, 2008 at 11:35 PM
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So yeah I've been playing spy a while. (36 hours, not bad, not that long). 
I'm trying to figure out some skills that I can sort of "work on" while playing the game. I have the basics down, now I want to get into sort of what would be "advanced spy strategies".

So none of that noob stuff like "don't rely on your cloak" or "try not to get the backstab animation"

Does anyone have a video that would demonstrate some advanced spy-ing or some good techniques? (i.e. Another Super Mario Commentary vid lol). I've looked around online and I've pretty much exhausted all available resources.

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Basically to repeat the question more clearly, I'm looking for some advanced spy tips or videos that I can watch to improve my game. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance!

-Slin


P.S. Any tips on how to do that air-stab or flying-stab or whatever you call it would be helpful as well. Can't pull it off for crap so I have to wait for them to pass a bit, jump down behind them and then hope to catch up and stab. Something to that effect.
#  Oct 03, 2008 at 12:44 AM
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Search for the channel "SubtleArt" on youtube.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0xES17aki9Y&feature=user

He is a very good spy, and has a ton of delicious videos for you to delve into at your leisure. They have showed me a few funny tactics to use, especially against engis.

Nothing like destorying an Engineer's dispenser from a distance with your revolver. He'll get pissed, think that you're nearby, and you can sit back and laugh (while shooting his SG).
#  Oct 03, 2008 at 10:27 AM
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Well, I must admit the thread title caught my attention. I even said "Okay" out loud.

What you want to work on is minimizing the possible time for somebody to spot you, and that means only two things. You must find ways of getting higher the the opponent you are going to stab, or you need a REALLY kickass hiding spot.

On well, for example, you can do both. On arena well, especially (people don't rush the center as fast), here is an example of a kickass hiding spot:



I can almost guarantee you that you will get surprisingly easy kills here. You must understand why it works; When people run in, they get an easy full-area view, so suddenly the comfort level rises a lot. Just look at everything they see:



And the one thing they don't:



 If there is anybody else on your team, they will be looking at them, as they proceed up the what they thought was safe ramp area, and bam. Easiest way to pick off medics in the world, even get combos sometimes because it's like "wtf is this. Now, don't get me wrong, all it takes is a glance into the corner and you're done. You won't be catching me off gaurd anytime soon, but the reason this spot is so much more effective than other corners is that the player has so much to take in when they enter the area, but as usual don't rely on it. But try it out, and get a feel for it.

Next and last is height. When people are spy-scared, they'll turn around constantly, looking everywhere. These guys cannot be reliably stabbed if you're on the same height level. But, if you get higher, even jsut a player's height above them, they won't see you. When they turn around, the look at exactly what's around them. Next time you get spy-aware and start turning around, try and take a moment to notice where all your attention is: not up. You can get in the habit of it (watching me look around is like watching a dog try to catch his tail), but this is by far the most reliable way to kill somebody.

OMFGNinja calls it a leap stab which I must admit I tihnk is the most retarded name you could come up for it. If anything, it's a fall stab, as a leap implies some sudden lurch in forward momentum, where there is not. And while we are here, it's flick stab, you FLICK the mouse, not quick stab. A quick stab implies doing something faster than was intended. As such, a quick stab would refer to, say, not getting the lift when you normally would have.

Back on topic, here are some old clips of height advantage, editted together really fast. And on a side note, to stab anything below you, you need to crouch to lower yourself. The way you backstab when you're on a different height plane can be tricky. Try imagining it like this.

Take a sphere. This is the enemy. This sphere has a direction, and it's also split in half. That's the front and back, and you can imagine the back half of the shpere like a shell on the player (TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES). Now you need to imagine the plane that cuts that sphere in half. Got it?

As the player rotates, the plane rotates. Here's how it works: if you hit the player and you are behind this plane, he will get backstabbed. Now you see that backstabbing depends on your position relative to the player and his rotation. But your rotation has nothing to do with it. If you could somehow hit the player without turning, you could hit him while facing away from him and bkacstab him. (You can get close though, if you flick stab 180 degrees).

So when it comes to stabbing from the top, do not worry about which way you are facing. Rather, just try to poke him while you are behind him. To make matters simpler, look straight down and then just be behind when it hits. It'll take a bit of practice.

Cool thing is, if he turns around and it only swipes him, you're probably gonna be standing on top of him in an akward situation, where now you can just try again.


So work on:
1) Creative hiding spots (know what they are thinking/will do), which automatically includes:
2) Height advantage.
3) And in addition, having really good revolver aim is tops.

So yea, I hope that answers your questions. Here's the link again for anybody that doesn't read all my post: Video.
#  Oct 03, 2008 at 11:02 AM
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Kickass stuff,Gman.
#  Oct 03, 2008 at 11:26 AM
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you people really need to start figuring this shit out on your own
#  Oct 03, 2008 at 7:51 PM
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Watch this and the other two parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d87QCn_cafI

Don't forget that you can stand behind an enemy dispenser and fire at a sentry, and you will survive (so long as there isn't another sentry at a high angle above you).

Biggest thing to know is the geography of a map down to a T. You have to know everything about a map, and you quickly learn the best places to hide and attack.
#  Oct 03, 2008 at 8:22 PM
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yay GMan my hero lol.

no really though, sweet tips. so "fall stabbing" would consist of crouch > stab anywhere in the back.

I am watching your vid, and if you look at the second kill you do on badlands, see how i can easily be unsure of where exactly you are stabbing? it looks like his head...or maybe even the air behind him??

also that one at around 1:15 is the one I have been trying to pull off for the longest time but never seem to be able to do it.

also do you even try hiding from medics once they see you? the few clips you have like the one where you kill the heavy on well, you immediately pull out the revolver, not even trying to cloak....

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you people really need to start figuring this shit out on your own

lol Chro i look at it like this. would you rather use a microwave or an oven?
#  Oct 03, 2008 at 8:25 PM
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Quote:
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you people really need to start figuring this shit out on your own

lol Chro i look at it like this. would you rather use a microwave or an oven?
That...doesn't make sense...
#  Oct 03, 2008 at 11:31 PM
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Why, I dare say it makes perfect sense if you think about it. Tim Allen wouldn't give career advice to a duck for the same reason.
#  Oct 03, 2008 at 11:47 PM
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Quote:
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Chro
you people really need to start figuring this shit out on your own

lol Chro i look at it like this. would you rather use a microwave or an oven?
That...doesn't make sense...
He's just looking for the quickest route between point A and point B.  asking experienced spies is the easiest way to learn how to be a good spy.

BTW, that subtleart guy has some sick vids.
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