Did we play this one in a pug yet?  Maybe a highlander....  If its the one i'm thinking of at the gates during setup a demo can jump up above the wall and then charge a sticky to land on the enemies door leading out.  Cutting off one of the paths before the round even starts.

Yea, that's the map, Chro.

Need to play it in 6s, i've only highlandered it.  After that judgement can be made!

I've played it in 6's, and it played extremely well. But it was only 1 time, so I can't make full judgment.

the final cp should be raised instead of depressed imo.

No! Fortunate is wrong! Don't listen to him!

Personally, I like the setup time... the map is almost the same size as Well and you really only find yourself standing at the gate for about 15 seconds, not 30.

Well is only enjoyed by the comp scene because all the classes except for Medic on a regular comp team can jump over the crates, so there is a lot of different strategies teams can use on mid before or after the setup cause of it.

Remember when Granary had gates on it? Comp community raged and even made a pro_granary cause of it until Valve put it back.

Sorry inGin... but... ADMIT DEFEAT!

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but this one time... I died cuz I couldn't get out of the stupid little depression.. it wouldn't let me jump over the little ledge.. I don't like dying

Due to popular demand, Beta 2 has been released! This update removes the setup gate logic, as well as several minor visual improvements.
http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/85578