<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/upload/tf2.pdf">Here it is.</a>&nbsp; Thanks to RBR for allowing me to host it here.<br><br>I'll be astonished if people actually make it through the entire paper.&nbsp; To those that don't want to read it, its basically my take on the TF2 system and what valve has done wrong and right.&nbsp; It's suppose to clear up alot of ideas people have about the game.&nbsp; I clearly avoid casual vs. competitive topics as much as possible to keep it clean.&nbsp; As for what do i want to accomplish with this, well even I'm not sure but hopefully something will come of it.&nbsp; I expect to get a ton of flak on just about everything, but I'm use to that.&nbsp; I've already sent it to valve tonight so all that is left is to make it public.<br><br>Now here's the part i need everyone's help on.&nbsp; If you read it, and think its good, can you post it on other forums.&nbsp; Post the thread here and hopefully we can keep that thread bumped.&nbsp; I hope everyone understands the benefit of not me posting this else where.&nbsp; As for this thread itself, I'd rather keep it clean unlike all of the other threads i participate in.&nbsp; I'll answer some questions but in bulk to make it nicer.&nbsp; That's about it, and to further clarify one thing, when you get to the unlocks don't worry about the unlocks themselves.&nbsp; That's the least important part, whats important is the idea of the class and what to do with them.<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10346081#post10346081">Steam forum thread</a> (Thanks Madrox but may need it in the main general section)<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.gotfrag.com/tf2/forums/thread/401807/">GotFrag forum thread</a> (Thanks to testify)<br><br><a href="http://www.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&amp;d=topic&amp;id=156530%20">ESEA forum thread</a> (Thanks to torbull) http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:26:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ Here it is.&nbsp; Thanks to RBR for allowing me to host it here.I'll be astonished if people actually... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327915 Chro Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:24:00 GMT B0rken link? http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327921 seigetank2000 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:32:00 GMT Scroll down. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10346081#post10346081 They moved... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327922 madroxinide Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:35:00 GMT Oh snap! I was hoping you'd do something like this. I'll definitely read the whole thing. This probably... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327924 Deadlypudding Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:36:00 GMT It works.I'm reading it now. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327925 Scorch Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:36:00 GMT Alright, Since this is bound to get some discussion going, and that's what we're here for, I'm going... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327926 Lancer Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:37:00 GMT I want to read this, but you just had to make it a .pdf man ... *grumbles as he updates plugins*. I'll... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327927 C4Cypher Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:40:00 GMT Chro- I love you.Just a quick question:&nbsp; How long have you been working on this for, or even just... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327929 SgtSocks Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:44:00 GMT Steam Forums make me :( http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327934 Mr. White Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:59:00 GMT Good read.Really liked the part about the Spy, he was perfect the way he was, but useless players 'kept... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=1#327937 Jericho Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:20:00 GMT I've read it just now as I don't have anything better to do and I have to say, well done. You summed... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327938 [VIM]Elhehir Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:25:00 GMT That mod on the steam forums is a moron. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327939 GeneralSheep Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:40:00 GMT I might disagree or nitpick on some of the finer points, but all in all, Chro I agree with much of what... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327941 C4Cypher Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:45:00 GMT Thanks for an epic essay I shall be reading after finals ALL WEEK LONG. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327942 JustAConspiracy Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:45:00 GMT You always say the game should be designed for the competitive community, so surely the best players... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327944 WarningSDE Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:48:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by WarningSDEYou always say the game should be designed for the competitive community,... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327946 Jericho Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:52:00 GMT I liked it.&nbsp; I'm not a competitive player, (or a PC player for that matter) so my opinions on the... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327947 Nucleotyde Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:03:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by WarningSDEYou always say the game should be designed for the competitive community,... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327949 Testify Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:06:00 GMT Interesting read.Some real good ideas overall.&nbsp; Personally, I hate how "unelegant" some of the alternates... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327950 TuRbINE Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:14:00 GMT eramVolunteer Moderator&nbsp;&nbsp;Join Date: Jan 2004Reputation: 558Posts: 24,180 &nbsp; &nbsp;wtf http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327951 kankle king Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:23:00 GMT So I just got to the fastlane page, and I had an idea.You name all these great modifications that should... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=2#327952 NULLNAME Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:24:00 GMT Seriously. I hardly ever see scouts get near me on my 32-slot 2Fort server. WTF is this guy talking about?&nbsp; http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327953 kankle king Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:25:00 GMT I just finished reading the essay. It was great. I did have some problems with the formality (which I've... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327954 Deadlypudding Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:28:00 GMT Great read, read the entire thing. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327955 TLR Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:28:00 GMT WORTHLESS, SHITTY, LONG, AND BORING ESSAY.Actually, its not bad. After finishing the paper, I feel that... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327957 Muncrafter Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:32:00 GMT Good read, although I disagree on some of the points, I can see where you are coming from on all of them.... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327966 LandsharK Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:50:00 GMT A very interesting and thought provoking read Chro.It's just a pity I went to the steam forums thread... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327973 Numenor Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:24:00 GMT Great read.Only thing I might change is the proposed alternate for the wrench. While I think it is a... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327972 KMKING Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:24:00 GMT Its nice but I heavily disagree with you about the demo/solly balance. That may be because of how the... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327977 Renegade26 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:41:00 GMT I particularly like the engie and soldier sections. Not so much for the specific suggestions, but they... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327978 Harriet the Spy Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:42:00 GMT Submitted it to Ubercharged.GL, hope you get a front page feature! http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327981 JustAConspiracy Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:09:00 GMT Read it all, great job. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=3#327982 Chupathingy Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:11:00 GMT Quote: Originally Posted by LandsharKEDIT: Oh god, the steam forums are so damn bad.Like wtf, these... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#327986 Lampard Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:16:00 GMT "If scouts were so OP, they would roll 4 scouts in competitive. But they only roll 2."God that made me... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#327991 GManNickG Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:46:00 GMT Instead of a railgun, why not go with a more whimsical spanner with a rope attached? http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#327992 Scorch Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:57:00 GMT Okay read. Agreed with some of it, though not all the class balance oppinions and suggestions. But I... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#327993 Fed-Up Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:11:00 GMT Good job!&nbsp; I have a few things I'd like to mention, though:- You have a habit of capitalizing the... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#327996 philosoraptor Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:29:00 GMT I have to go to school so I can't finish it right now, but I read up to the medic and so far I agree... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#327997 The Blind Sniper Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:30:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by philosoraptor&nbsp; What's the use of the Razorback to the "competitive" player?... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#327998 Chaos Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:22:00 GMT God the replies from the "moderator" make me want to hang myself. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#328008 Mr. Snuts!* Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:14:00 GMT I read it. Whole thing. I like a lot of the ideas. Though I can't get what you're trying to say with... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#328011 im2cool4u Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:50:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by im2cool4uI read it. Whole thing. I like a lot of the ideas. Though I can't... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#328013 Cascade Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:57:00 GMT ^^ I believe what he means about the syringe gun is a passive effect. Not an afterburn or anykind of... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=4#328014 Doc Brown Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:59:00 GMT ...he always regenerates health... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328015 im2cool4u Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:01:00 GMT And I'm pretty sure that he makes mention of that fact.&nbsp; Chro is saying that equipping it should... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328016 SgtSocks Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:07:00 GMT IF THE SCOUT WAS OP, 6 WOULD BE RUN IN COMP, MMK? http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328018 [H]oi BoC Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:08:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Mr. Snuts!*God the replies from the "moderator" make me want to hang myself.Forums... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328029 Chaos Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:41:00 GMT I'm gonna go ahead and try to post it in the general tf2 section so people can see it more on the forums. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328033 Skybuster Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:55:00 GMT Quote:The class listings as offense, defense or support are completely false and should not be referenced... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328036 TurtleFreak Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:00:00 GMT I already mentioned that I read most of this Chro; well I finished it, and I loved it. Great read, and... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328038 Lancer Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:06:00 GMT Looks very good. Gonna read it right now. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328040 Elandriel Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:15:00 GMT Good read Chro.&nbsp;&nbsp;I like almost all of this, and the points where I do disagree are mainly issues... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328041 kikinchikin Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:17:00 GMT I don't plan on responding on every forum so I'll just make a general post here, if other people want... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328048 Chro Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:43:00 GMT Can you put on a word version of this or something? I haven't got anything that can play pdf and I'm... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=5#328049 Skippy... Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:33:00 GMT Quote: Originally Posted by Skippy...Can you put on a word version of this or something? I haven't got... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328050 Doc Brown Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:39:00 GMT Very nice read, Chro. I'd disagree with some of your new weapon suggestions, but the critique of the... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328060 Sweet Juicy Justice Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:47:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Doc BrownQuote: Originally Posted by Skippy...Can you put on a word version... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328059 haplo13 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:47:00 GMT Took the time to read it all the way through, twice, and it was worth it. I agree on all fronts, with... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328084 computergeniusman Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:46:00 GMT I'm glad you avoided the whole casual vs. competitive topic and focused on the raw gameplay instead.... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328085 lilgamefreak Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:52:00 GMT I read it and thought it was great. It had some very legitimate arguments backed up by facts and figures.... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328099 Rius Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:28:00 GMT Just read through this and I pretty much agree 90% with everything. However I disagree with the Engineers... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328105 Lampard Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:36:00 GMT ... yeah. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328113 pathos_street Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:54:00 GMT I think an interesting teleporter unlock would be having the teleporter exit attached to the engineer... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328115 lilgamefreak Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:55:00 GMT Chro, as much as I agree with many of your points, you really need to focus on your English and Literature... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328128 Big Lou Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:14:00 GMT nj chro, i'll read it later and give me feedback http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=6#328136 M_24 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:45:00 GMT "Players will not be ignited by fire until the 2nd hit, instead of the 1st, this just means that if you... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328140 inGin Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:07:00 GMT I agree with all of the points except for the huntsman. I wouldn't say its op but you can easily destroy... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328142 jibn Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:17:00 GMT I linked to it on ESEA at http://www.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&amp;d=topic&amp;id=156530 http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328147 Torbull Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:30:00 GMT Very well written, hit the nail (or nails) right on the head. I agree with most of what you proposed... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328155 Stabby Mcstab Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:54:00 GMT If the unlockable Sticky Launcher had a longer delay, wouldn't no good Demos use it, as it would make... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328158 WarningSDE Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:55:00 GMT @ WarningPipe jumping is quite easy. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328172 Malhavok Prefect Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:27:00 GMT It reads like a middle school English paper. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328197 rads Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:52:00 GMT That stick launcher would be able to jump just as quick at the start of the round, getting to mid maybe... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328198 Chro Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:53:00 GMT Chro do you have a .doc or .txt version of your paper? If so, can you send it to me? I'll provide an... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328208 Rius Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:09:00 GMT I was gonna ask, too. To edit I presume? http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328210 GManNickG Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:15:00 GMT Why don't you[Chro] post the text here? The pdf's text is selectable and copy-able. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=7#328215 Jäger Zero Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:18:00 GMT or you can dl the pdf and use a pdf converter to convert it into a text. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328216 jibn Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:22:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by philosoraptor&nbsp;What's the use of the Razorback to the "competitive" player?... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328227 Stabby Mcstab Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:47:00 GMT The razorback is bad.Get over it.Giving up a VERY viable backup weapon or a VERY viable support item... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328229 LandsharK Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:53:00 GMT Right, I've managed to get a trial version of adobe reader, and I've read it. I have to say, I agreed... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328231 Skippy... Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:00:00 GMT Trial version?&nbsp;&nbsp; Isn't Adobe reader free?I could be wrong, but I thought it was 100% free.I... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328233 Malhavok Prefect Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:06:00 GMT there's a FF plugin available, I'll dig around for it. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328242 im2cool4u Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:30:00 GMT Quote:Firstly, when talking about taking control away from the player, you said this:" Normal ... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328246 Echo Mending Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:39:00 GMT I clicked on it and it opened :SIve downloaded Adobe Reader once a long time ago, and I'm using FF. Idk... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328247 LandsharK Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:40:00 GMT Chro, the way a paper (especially one that is of correspondence) is written certainly matters in this... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328250 Big Lou Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:47:00 GMT There's also foxit reader.My main problem is that when you say things like:"There is a limit to ones... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328254 MellowshipSlinky Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:55:00 GMT Wow Chro, Grammar fail.&nbsp; Makes me sad for all that knowledge and thought is undercut by not being... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=8#328271 Grim Bros the eldest Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:20:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Grim Bros the eldestWow Chro, Grammar fail.&nbsp; Makes me sad for all that... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328275 NULLNAME Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:26:00 GMT Good, Null, you're improving. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328280 GManNickG Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:31:00 GMT grammar != spellingand im not good at spelling or grammar so it doesnt bug me as much as you guys, but... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328281 LandsharK Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:35:00 GMT Wow. Epic.I'll have a read and post a link to it (assuming it's all appropriate, I just like to check... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328282 JustAConspiracy Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:35:00 GMT @melloship, i talk about the ratio, says you must have to put skill into account.&nbsp; The next paragraph... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328287 Chro Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:55:00 GMT I dunno if you mentioned this, I kinda skimmed over the heavy section but what if the sanvich didn't... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328289 Unnownd Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:58:00 GMT "If the game was designed around 6 vs 6 we would have less than 9 classes, there is no reason to even... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328314 Cartographer Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:52:00 GMT just remember, crits are rarely ever luck. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328321 [H]oi BoC Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:16:00 GMT Forgot to link to the thread i posted this to on the starmen.net forums (they also go by fangamer). They're... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328327 Deadlypudding Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:35:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Grim Bros the eldestWow Chro, Grammar fail.&nbsp; Makes me sad for all that... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328336 Grim Bros the eldest Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:05:00 GMT Not bad.&nbsp; I can agree with most of it.&nbsp; There are things that I would do differently, but that's... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=9#328340 Aluminum Stud Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:13:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by [H]oi BoCjust remember, crits are rarely ever luck.That just pisses me off... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328350 Chaos Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:27:00 GMT He said it to me, I'm raging at it more than anyone xPThanks Chaos for basically summarizing what I was... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328352 WarningSDE Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:29:00 GMT @ Chaos: Perhaps so, but I'm trying to think of how other people would use the Razorback.&nbsp; I don't... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328370 philosoraptor Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:26:00 GMT From the beggining you really wanetd to make a note on your experience as a player, designer etc. I... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328389 Jakeman Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:17:00 GMT Hey Chro.I'm one of the only guys around TF2 that played Quake 2 Weapons Factory as well still, and I... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328399 Revalk Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:37:00 GMT Overall, it was a good read, but I do feel that the differences between comp and pub do make a difference... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328401 Grim Bros the eldest Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:45:00 GMT 18 pages of whinge baby http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328419 jimmy-sharpp Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:28:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by jimmy-sharpp18 pages of whinge babyHe isn't whining at any point in the article http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328420 WarningSDE Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:31:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by jimmy-sharpp18 pages of whinge babywut http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328427 NULLNAME Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:52:00 GMT It means whine baby, which is incorrect grammar, only further enforcing the fact that I don't really... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328429 WarningSDE Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:56:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Chro@melloship, i talk about the ratio, says you must have to put skill into... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=10#328430 MellowshipSlinky Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:57:00 GMT My 2 cents worth:18 pages of good points. Of course there are some I take issue with. mainly how best... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328433 stickman_aus Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:23:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by WarningSDEIt means whine baby, which is incorrect grammar, only further enforcing... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328454 Skippy... Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:52:00 GMT @mellowship I state that one class should never always beat another, at the same time I've said a class... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328465 Chro Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:49:00 GMT Chro.&nbsp; I've read your article, and I enjoyed the points that you made.&nbsp; I think your version... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328469 22mojom22 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:03:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Chro You make the same mistake nearly everyone has done, taken it word by... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328472 Skippy... Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:19:00 GMT Chro, I think a more effective way of grabbing Valve's attention would be to show this to the modding... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328475 Big Lou Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:50:00 GMT hmmm?&nbsp; You're saying I'm not allowed to tell people my views and why&nbsp;I did it? Well i just... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328476 Chro Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:50:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Skippy...Quote:Originally Posted by Chro You make the same mistake nearly... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328478 Elandriel Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:54:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by WarningSDEIt means whine baby, which is incorrect grammar, only further enforcing... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328484 jimmy-sharpp Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:44:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Chrohmmm?&nbsp; You're saying I'm not allowed to tell people my views and... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328497 Grim Bros the eldest Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:37:00 GMT I'm not getting defensive, this is how i argue and make points.&nbsp; Its how i've done all of my arguments... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=11#328511 Chro Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:22:00 GMT Basically, he is saying that he is stubborn. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328513 Big Lou Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:31:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by stickman_ausOne final gripe: grammer. Oh really. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328516 GManNickG Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:46:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by GManNickGQuote:Originally Posted by stickman_ausOne final gripe: grammer.... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328520 R4z0r Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:06:00 GMT What about Kelsey Grammer? http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328522 Big Lou Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:10:00 GMT @Chro: I should be done with my revision by the end of today. Please look over it real quick to make... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328526 Rius Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:21:00 GMT Quote: Originally Posted by Big LouBasically, he is saying that he is stubborn.Actually, he's saying... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328534 Sweet Juicy Justice Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:38:00 GMT read it like it excpet for the dispencer.good job chro. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328580 M_24 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:57:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Grim Bros the eldestYes, the best way to get followers (like me), is to show... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328622 NULLNAME Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:21:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by NULLNAMEQuote:Originally Posted by Grim Bros the eldestYes, the best way to... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328659 JustAConspiracy Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:39:00 GMT Nice, pretty good ideas mainly, but yeah on a more serious note Valve must stop reading the forums over... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328732 rawd Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:14:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by rawdNice, pretty good ideas mainly, but yeah on a more serious note Valve... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=12#328743 JustAConspiracy Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:40:00 GMT Hey grim, yeah Chro can be a bit abrasive when he gets into a debate, we get it. However, I can respect... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#328764 C4Cypher Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:27:00 GMT I thought I was gonna finish it today but some stuff came up. I'll finish it tomorrow for definitely. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#328773 Rius Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:10:00 GMT Don't get me wrong, I think Chro puts good thought into what he does (I agreed full heartedly with him... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#328795 Grim Bros the eldest Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:34:00 GMT Good work Chro. It was a great read and distaction from work.There were some very balanced and decent... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#328801 Ryatic Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:52:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by ChroI don't show people where i'm right, i let them show me where i'm wrong... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#328818 Elandriel Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:32:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by ElandrielQuote:Originally Posted by ChroI don't show people where i'm right,... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#328846 22mojom22 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:31:00 GMT Quote: Originally Posted by ElandrielQuote: Originally Posted by ChroI don't show people where i'm... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#328849 Doc Brown Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:59:00 GMT 14 pages of stroking chro's epeen and counting. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#328871 pathos_street Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:04:00 GMT Really, you could probably call his entire paper crap and you'd still be stroking it.&nbsp; The man's... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#328886 Grim Bros the eldest Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:05:00 GMT For applied graduate level interweb ranting, it's not bad.For ideas of class balance and ideas for improvements,... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#329223 Zandar Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:02:00 GMT Nice one Chro, &nbsp;its definitely worth reading. I only disagree with you in the topic of huntsman... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=13#329240 Hesitater Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:35:00 GMT Good read. I thought you did a good job showing how unlocks should affect the classes and then showcasing... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329281 Cold! Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:06:00 GMT In my eyes Valves take on the unlocks seem to be to shutup pubbers mainly... "Why cant i be a ninja"... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329304 rawd Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:02:00 GMT Very well made and obviously well thought out.I found your arguments for the soldier, engineer, and spy... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329510 Zenith013 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:59:00 GMT I've written 40 pages on defense, but this is a great essay.To all those who want to say "stop whining"... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329515 EchelonThree Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:12:00 GMT I do respect the fact the class balance section doesn't devolve into "Pyro, Medic, and Demo are the least... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329662 Zandar Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:39:00 GMT My only comment on this would be that Valve is first and foremost a company and has to keep in mind that... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329679 Boris the Bullet Dodger Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:03:00 GMT Boris, you're missing the point. He's saying balance the game for the comp community, which is fun for... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329684 WarningSDE Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:18:00 GMT Make a game for 70% of the players with gimmicks or make the game for 100% of the players with solid... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329689 Chro Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:38:00 GMT The only criticism I have is.... No contents page?!?! WTF Chro!!I agree with everything you said in that... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329694 master_bungle Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:03:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by ChroMake a game for 70% of the players with gimmicks or make the game for... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329731 TuRbINE Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:37:00 GMT The key thing to remember is that balancing a game to the comp community doesn't mean making every class... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=14#329734 lilgamefreak Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:53:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by ChroMake a game for 70% of the players with gimmicks or make the game for... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329766 Skippy... Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:11:00 GMT You're stupid. There is no "hoping". The other 90% are brainless fucks that like anything thrown at them.... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329772 GManNickG Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:19:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Skippy...Quote:Originally Posted by ChroMake a game for 70% of the players... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329776 TuRbINE Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:25:00 GMT But thats the thing...people will hear about how they handle unlocks.Imagine this as an advert: So a... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329779 Chro Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:29:00 GMT I still think the scout should have gotten a bloodball that you could curve for minicrits or WTF MEGACURVE... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329790 LandsharK Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:30:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Skippy...Quote:Originally Posted by ChroMake a game for 70% of the players... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329792 Renegade26 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:32:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Skippy...But thats the thing...people will hear about how they handle unlocks.Imagine... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329843 Harriet the Spy Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:58:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Harriet the Spy"The newest Soldier unlock: the SHINY THING! Ooh, looky!"Which... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329879 JustAConspiracy Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:54:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by GManNickGYou're stupid. There is no "hoping". The other 90% are brainless... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329910 Skippy... Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:15:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Skippy...Quote:Originally Posted by GManNickGYou're stupid. There is no "hoping".... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329911 Renegade26 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:37:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Skippy...Quote:Originally Posted by GManNickGYou're stupid. There is no "hoping".... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=15#329917 TuRbINE Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:31:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by TuRbINEQuote:Originally Posted by Skippy...Quote:Originally Posted by GManNickGYou're... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#329947 Skippy... Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:01:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Skippy...Quote:Originally Posted by TuRbINEQuote:Originally Posted by Skippy...Quote:Originally... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#329956 TuRbINE Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:34:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by The Sniper"Here's a touching story- once upon a time you sunk into the depths... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#329957 Numenor Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:34:00 GMT I really like some of your ideas... I completely hate some of the others.The engineer's pistol replacement... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#330293 Imperium Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:04:00 GMT your conc idea is just a plain upgrade. And as chro says the sapper is useless really.Your tranq gun... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#330391 Soulsurvivor Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:37:00 GMT IF tranq is implemented i would hope for a tunnel-vision effect, blacking out the sides of your screen... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#330405 LandsharK Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:47:00 GMT Quote: Originally Posted by LandsharKIF tranq is implemented i would hope for a tunnel-vision effect,... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#330443 kikinchikin Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:25:00 GMT The unlocks are for attracting new people in my eyes, like someone stated, you don't pay monthly, you... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#330501 rawd Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:27:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by rawdThe unlocks are for attracting new people in my eyes, like someone stated,... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#330512 Renegade26 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:25:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Renegade26Quote:Originally Posted by rawdThe unlocks are for attracting new... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#330515 Aluminum Stud Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:32:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by rawdThe unlocks are for attracting new people in my eyes, like someone stated,... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=16#330516 Zandar Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:33:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Aluminum StudQuote:Originally Posted by Renegade26Quote:Originally Posted... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#330517 Renegade26 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:34:00 GMT STEAM FORUMS AHOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#330521 Koff Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:47:00 GMT Hey Koff, get on steam http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#330648 GManNickG Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:26:00 GMT Updated with the help of ladykiller, i don't think anyone can bitch about grammar now. Also expect to... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#330756 Chro Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:17:00 GMT the grammar is too good I can't relate to it http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#330764 Echo Mending Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:42:00 GMT Looks and reads a lot more schmick. I like it. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#330820 stickman_aus Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:51:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by kikinchikinQuote: Originally Posted by LandsharKIF tranq is implemented i... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#330826 LandsharK Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:53:00 GMT @landsharkThey don't need new weapons. Valve just needs to fix the current onesNow, I to hope they do... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#330834 WarningSDE Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:44:00 GMT The article does read much better now. I only noticed one, pretty much insignificant, mistake (a missing... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#331074 Deadlypudding Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:15:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by DeadlypuddingThe article does read much better now. I only noticed one, pretty... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#331077 mad_typist Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:17:00 GMT Nice edit LK. I'm glad Chro picked this one over mine (since I didn't really go through as much effort... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=17#331154 Rius Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:15:00 GMT Man, I read particular sections I was interested in (Engineer, Spy, Sniper, game modes) and I gotta say... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#331305 Hellblazer Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:44:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by HellblazerEDIT: Valve is already on it, you can no longer get crits with the... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#331351 Deadlypudding Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:31:00 GMT Quote: Originally Posted by DeadlypuddingQuote: Originally Posted by HellblazerEDIT: Valve is already... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#331613 kikinchikin Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:51:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by Harriet the Spy&nbsp;Who is Valve supposed to target? Kids with ADD? "The... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#331920 C4Cypher Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:44:00 GMT Well, this topic is tl;dr, though I did manage to read the whole paper. I agree with most of the ideas... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#331972 Ninja_Dude Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:16:00 GMT Initial response: HOLY SHIT IT'S NINJA DUDEResponse after reading: HOLY SHIT IT'S NINJA DUDE http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#331985 NEKPED Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:39:00 GMT I agree with you chro on almost everything, the only one I have a problem with is your comments about... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#331987 Isimbot Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:47:00 GMT My master has returned!You're all fucked now. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#331988 C4Cypher Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:53:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by NEKPEDInitial response: HOLY SHIT IT'S NINJA DUDEResponse after reading: HOLY... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#331990 xxsmashslayerxx Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:09:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by xxsmashslayerxxQuote:Originally Posted by NEKPEDInitial response: HOLY SHIT... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#332005 GManNickG Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:45:00 GMT Chro: Are you going to consider amending the spy page due to the recent cloak and dagger and dead ringer... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=18#332011 JustAConspiracy Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:07:00 GMT the ambassador nerf was too harsh imoand dead ringer buff wasnt enough. http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#332019 LandsharK Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:14:00 GMT Q: do I agree with some of Chro's points?A: yesQ: do I think they were argued well or that Valve can... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#332032 pathos_street Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:55:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by LandsharKthe ambassador nerf was too harsh imoand dead ringer buff wasnt enough.I... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#332097 Infusions Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:25:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by InfusionsQuote:Originally Posted by LandsharKthe ambassador nerf was too harsh... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#332123 Numenor Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:12:00 GMT Quote:Originally Posted by NEKPEDInitial response: HOLY SHIT IT'S NINJA DUDEResponse after reading: HOLY... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#332862 Donald Trump Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:55:00 GMT HOLY SHIT NINJA DUDE. I gotta go change my pants.Great read. Though I do have a few gripes about your... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#339656 Mibbok Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:20:00 GMT Five seconds is good because it takes some skill to get a medium burn going.Here's the problem.Five seconds... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#339686 lilgamefreak Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:58:00 GMT &nbsp;True but the burn damage ramp up goes hand in hand with the range increase. As you could either... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#339868 Mibbok Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:59:00 GMT I use revolver again now because the ambassador isnt worth it anymore. They should have made it headshot... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#339902 LandsharK Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:30:00 GMT Your pyro idea is nothing but a complete buff to the pyro. It doesn't move around any strengths, making... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#339932 Chaos Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:13:00 GMT Read the entirety of Chro's dissertation, there were plenty of good ideas. Especially enjoyed his unapologetic... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=19#340662 Pen Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:52:00 GMT 1. Youre Coliseum analogy is epic.2. Razorback and Bonk! WOULDN'T be on their way down their sadly, as... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=20#340686 JustAConspiracy Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:02:00 GMT I don't see Bonk! used a lot anymore even on random ass servers. But I do see Razorback used like a plague.... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=20#340772 Deadlypudding Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:18:00 GMT Backstab em! http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=20#340775 Skippy... Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:48:00 GMT Chro's paper is mentioned in passing in the latest (from the 25th) Ubercharged.net posting.&nbsp; There... http://www.teamfortress2fort.com/forums/t/18pagesonTF2-22584.aspx?p=20#342134 Scorch Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:26:00 GMT